Monday, February 19, 2018

MORE RAIN.........

Well, it wasn't exactly more rain, more like an overnight drizzle.  Actually that's a good rain, it soaks in and we don't have to get out in it.  This morning the sun is shining, but there is wind and clouds.  If the wind gathers up the clouds, we could have more rain  I guess.  

We are watching the weather for parade day, Thursday.  So far it's suppose to be the coolest day this week.  SIGH!  I'm already planning what I will be wearing under my dress, either jeans or long jons probably.  Probably will try to wear a long sleeved polo shirt under the blouse.  It would be nice if the weatherman was wrong as usual...........LOL



Pepsi is trying to break into Lynn and Linda's motor home.  It's just a matter of time before one of the donkeys will be in there.  Boaz is sticking his tongue out at Pepsi and egging him on.  Before it's over, I would imagine Lynn will  invite whoever manages to get in to stay for a visit.............!!  LOL  They already have 4 large dogs in there, so it could get pretty crowded.

Sunday, February 18, 2018

FINALLY...............SUNSHINE....!!

Was beginning to wonder if we should look for plans for an ark on the internet...!!! LOL  We got over 2 inches of welcome soaking rain........BUT........ as a desert rat, I'm glad it's over.  I don't like wet and soggy and neither do the donkeys.


Wet Donkeys


Boaz has learned how to beg and get to the front of the line.  Notice all the help Lynn has in the golf cart, but Boaz is betting Linda has cookies......!!

Lynn got the fence finished, with help from the donkeys of course.  There is nothing on this property that goes on, that doesn't have their help.


 The rodeo parade will be this Thursday.  Doug has decided to stay home to feed and let the donkeys left at home out.  That will let us leave a little later, although Leigh Anne said not to get there after 5am if we wanted a place to park the rigs.  I guess the area gets filled up with trailers and the later you get there the farther away you have to park.  At 7am they close the area to vehicle traffic of all kinds.  If you come in later with a rig, you have to park "way" far away.  As newbies to this particular parade, we'll probably learn a lot of things to do different in the future, if we participate again.  

The one the 17th of March in Tombstone is rather casual and only about 4 blocks long.  There is a slight "problem" for the March 17th. That also will be the opening day of car racing for the Hornets at Tucson Speedway.  So it looks like we'll do the parade in Tombstone from 11am to noon, come back home, pick up the race car and head for the track.  Sounds like a rather busy schedule to me.  Makes me wish I was 30-40 years younger..........  I'm sure I will survive, but I'm also sure I will be ready to rest when that day is over.  LOL

The 3rd of March John and I will take the Hornet up to Canyon Speedway which is a dirt 1/3 mile track in Peoria, Arizona.  It's a couple of hundred miles up there, so we will spend the night.  My car "almost" matches their rules, but not quite.  So a lot will depend on if they give me a "by" and let me race.  Otherwise I guess we'll just watch.

All the donkeys are doing good right now.  Rosie is on Equioxx to help with her lameness in her right front and is doing pretty good.  Doug said he saw her trotting a couple of days ago.  The last few days no one has gotten Benedryl for allergies, because of the rain and their eyes aren't goopy.  But now that the sun is out, we'll probably start them again tomorrow.

Got my annual order of fly masks from Renee at Colorful Equine this week.  Bright and colorful as usual, she knows we have to find them in the brush, and does her best to make them "findable".  Actually the boys were pretty good last year about not using the fly masks as toys.  Much better than in years past, thank goodness.  Hopefully we won't have to put them on for awhile.


I think this is the view out of Lynn and Linda's "home" at any hour of the day when the donkeys know someone is inside.  Lynn says he likes to look thru the blinds and see who's out there.  I would imagine he's hardly ever disappointed. 


Thursday, February 15, 2018

WE NEED RAIN, BUT..........ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.........!!!

Drizzled all day yesterday, rained all of last night, and is still raining today.  John said we got an inch and a quarter in the rain gauge.

As I sit here typing, I am looking at about 20 or more little Lesser Goldfinches on the covered back porch, sitting on a table trying to dry out.  John fills the thistle sock every morning and usually they are all hanging on it eating thistle seeds.  I guess they decided to take a break and get dry.  Now that I look at them individually some of them are house finches.  Guess they all decided to take a break from the weather.  

The donkeys insist on being out in the rain, even though they all have shelters, so of course they are all wet this morning.  Donkeys have no undercoat, so they get wet to the skin.  You would think as smart as they are they would stay under the shelters, but I guess being "wild and free" is more important.  

Lynn is out in the rain building fence.........!!  He's bringing in the east side fence in Burroland, away from the wash that is about 20 feet deep.  Years ago when our neighbor put the fence up, the fence was about 15 feet away from the wash.  It had eroded to within a couple of feet of the fence, and Lynn says he enjoys putting up fence, so John is staying out of his way.....!!  LOL  

It looks like we will be going Sunday to pick up 3 little minis up in Camp Verde.  Their family is moving and can't take them with them.  So momma Primrose, daughter Petunia, and gelded year old son Cosmos, will be joining our little herd for evaluation and probable adoption.  The woman said they are healthy and friendly and she spends a lot of time with them.  They should be easy to rehome.  


This is pictures Linda took of little Cheyenne and Buddy Brat for Fat Tuesday, in preparation for Lent.  Buddy could certainly use Lent as a time to lose some of the fat pockets on his sides.  Poor guy has been on a diet every since he got here almost 20 years ago.....!!  

Linda says she thinks Cheyenne poses for pictures, she always looks so cute with those pleading big eyes.  It might just be she is begging for a cookie.......LOL  



Little Pepsi has decided if Justin can be a racer, he can too.  A few of the other donkeys seem to have figured out that if you chase people that are running you can get a cookie also.  

 




And this is a couple of pictures of Jorgia our neighbor's horses, George and Banana dressed up for Valentine's Day.  George seems to enjoy  dress up, Banana, not so much. 

Sunday, February 11, 2018

Still Busy

Today Lynn and Linda went to a "people" race at the UofA in Tucson for Valentine's Day.  It's a costume race with PDAs (Personal Display of Affection) at least a couple of times during the race.  Linda came up with a cute idea of  having cactus costumes, wearing t-shirts with "stuck on you" across the front.  

Linda and I tried dying white socks, green to wear on their arms over a 2 days period.  The only green dye we found wasn't specifically made for polyester, which it seems all crew socks have a high polyester content.  The 1st time we did it, they came out too light.  Yesterday I was gone so Linda tried again.  When I came home the socks were hanging to dry and were a really pretty color of robin egg blue.  YIKES what happened to the almost green enough 1st dying?  

The instructions said to have the socks wet.  Linda said when she soaked the socks to get them wet, all the color started coming off the socks.  She dutifully tried to dye them again, but obviously it wasn't going to work.  She also said as they ran and sweat or "glowed"  and their arms got sweaty, the green would have come off on their arms, which wouldn't be good, so that idea got dropped. Hopefully she will take some pictures to share.  

They stay busy training for racing this summer when they go back to Colorado.  Sometimes they take the dogs, sometimes the donkeys, but Linda always takes pictures or videos.

Turbo out for a run, I would imagine he is begging for a treat
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Lynn and Linda were in a big culvert trying to get Leo and Turbo to come in.  I don't think they were interested.



 For some reason the Lone Ranger comes to mind.....!!! LOL





Leo doesn't want to get left behind..!!  Well after he gets a bite of sustenance, race training is hard work, don't you know.....!! 



Dave and Georgette are coming out this week for a final fitting of our costumes for the Tucson Rodeo Parade, Thursday February 22. This parade is such a big deal in Tucson, schools are closed so the kids can go to the parade.  We've still got to go drive the route to see how long it is and exactly where we line up and all that.  I'm sure there will be lots of helpers, but it's nice to have an idea of what's going on before you get in the middle of it...!!

Then I guess the next big happening will be when John and I go up to Canyon Speedway in Peoria, Arizona the 1st weekend in March.  It's an IMCA sanctioned DIRT track and they run what they call Sport Compacts.  John checked the IMCA rules for Sport Compacts and I've been in touch with the track and it sounds like my car should be legal.  We'll go up the 2nd, they have practice that night and race on Saturday the 3rd.  Should be fun, I haven't been on dirt for 3 years and it's a bigger track than the Tucson dirt track, so I'm not expecting anything spectacular, just to finish and bring the car home in one piece will be good. Well......as long as I don't finish last....!!! LOL

The donkeys are all doing pretty good right now, although Rosie is still limping on her right front foot.  But not as bad as before Tyler put the shoe on, which is a good thing.  Hopefully with time she will get better, even if she always has to wear a shoe.

I tried to order my annual order of fly traps from Valley Vet last week, and they are back ordered.   So yesterday I bought a fly trap to put out, until Valley Vet gets some in.  They have the best prices especially if you buy a lot of them, which I do.   Got word last week that my first shipment of fly predators is on it's way, so they must think it's time for the flies to come back.  We actually have flies all winter, usually in the afternoon when it's warm, but not enough to bother the donkeys.

The other night Lynn was cleaning out a pipe that had a lot of leaves, sticks, etc in it and ran across this little guy.



I have never seen that small a Colorado River Toad, they are usually about the size of a saucer up to dinner plate size.  He was all wrapped up in the material caught in the pipe.  Of course if a dog bites one, it can make the dog really sick or die.  But he got put back in his nest, hopefully he'll stay away from the dogs, when he gets bigger. 



The same night Lynn found this little hibernating lizard.  We put them in a bucket full of hay, when we find them, and turn the bucket on it's side.  They disappear when it gets warm, so I guess that's a good way to help them if their hibernating gets interrupted.

Thanks Linda for all the pictures and videos, it sure makes life interesting.

Tuesday, February 06, 2018

LOTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW

Lynn and Linda are getting ready for a "people" race this Sunday for Valentine's Day in Tucson.  Linda and I went shopping yesterday for things to make their costumes.  One thing we noticed is they've already pulled most of the Valentine's stuff, and on to Easter and some St. Patrick's Day........!!  But she did find a few things, she always comes up with fun ideas for their costumes.  

Then there is the Tucson Rodeo Parade the 22nd of Feb.  We got the information in the mail yesterday on where we start, where we line up and where we are suppose to be at what time.  It all sounds very organized, I hope the donkeys appreciate organized and are cooperative. All the donkeys we are taking have been in parades or pack burro races, so it's not going to be a big surprise.

This is a video Linda took at their RV one morning, of the whole herd except for Gus and Cisco.




Of course racing starts in March, the car is ready John says, so we'll try to take it to tech next week-end and get that over with.

Life is not all fun and games, sometimes there's work to be done.  Years ago when a neighbor fenced in Burroland for us, the east side fence was about 10-15 feet from the large wash that runs across our property on the way to the San Pedro river west of us.  Since then the wash has ran high enough to erode the bank,  the fence is now within a foot or two of the wash. The fence needs to be moved back from the wash farther before the next big run probably this summer, if we get rain.  That is the next work detail, when it can fit into every one's schedule.  That's a big problem..............scheduling.  We've tried making plans, but it doesn't usually work out as planned..................LOL

This time of year we have quite a few tours and we try to accommodate  visitors, even if they show up unannounced.  I get a kick out of getting a phone call from someone wanting a tour, and I ask where they are and they say at the gate.  The other day John and I were gone and Lynn and Linda noticed people wandering around with the donkeys.  They were doing a self tour, before they got caught.........LOL 

Saturday, February 03, 2018

WHEW.......!!

Thank goodness, the shoulder is doing good, better every day, now if I just don't do something else stupid....!! LOL

It's busy around here as usual.  Yesterday John, Lynn and Linda, helped Jorgia, our neighbor run a fence to keep the range cattle off private land.  There had been a fence up, but the cattle had torn it down to get to a water hole.


Lynn and John playing with the fence.  The problem with range cattle is they usually learn that fences are just a temporary problem if they want to go thru them. 
 
 
Lola and Lennon trying to figure out why John isn't either working or throwing a stick

They didn't get home until feeding time, Jorgia is a hard taskmaster.......!!  LOL  John said they thought they might have to come home and get head lamps, and flashlights.  But they managed to get done before dark.

Saddik looking at something across the way, thanks for the pictures Linda..!


The dogs were actually working too, although I'm sure they had fun playing most of the time.  They had to make sure there weren't any cattle inside the fence before they closed it or they would be trapped.

Jorgia had her 2 dogs, which work cattle.  They found the big bull inside, so the dogs went to work, Saddik included. From what they said the bull wasn't very happy at this turn of events, but the 3 dogs finally got him moved out.

Today John and I going into Tucson to figure out where we will park the night before, or early in the morning with the stock trailer and 6 donkeys, before the Rodeo Parade the 22nd of February.  A friend that has been in the parade with her little mini donkey Jasmine, e-mailed directions, so we're going to scope it out.

Would you believe I found the pictures of the clothes Georgette brought out the other day?  I know most people have a love/hate relationship with their computer, but my computer and I really HATE each other.  LOL



There's some over on the chair too....!!


Here we were getting ready to get in organized rows.  Little Justin on the right was suppose to be in front, he wants to follow, and I don't think we ever did get organized...!! LOL


Obviously I took this picture after our "walk", Linda and Lynn are headed for the feed room with a bunch of halters and leads

Rod, our son is busy working on race cars getting them ready for the new season.  

This is what his garage looks like right now

He's also got my back-up car to put a roll cage in it.  Rita the race cat is looking it over to see if it has a comfortable place for a cat to sleep.

No room for it inside



Monday, January 29, 2018

WELL I REALLY DID IT THIS TIME.........!


There was 3 day racing at Tucson Speedway this week-end and we went out all 3 days to watch.  Well I watched John helped a couple of friends operate the roll-back wrecker.  If it's just a wreck they can haul it off with a regular "hook" wrecker.  But if the car is really wrecked, they use the roll-back to keep "parts" and fluids from falling on the track on the way back to the pits.  

Our son Rod raced his modified, finished 8th, I think they started 24.  He hit another car, they both ran thru oil from a blown engine, and Keith spun in front of Rod, so they hit head on.  Keith couldn't get back in the race, but Rod did and finished pretty good under the circumstances. 

I was in the pits being nosy and managed to trip over a jack handle and down I went on concrete with a thud.  Of course there was an audience, all came running to pick me up.  I landed right on the top of my left shoulder, which is rotater cuff territory.  

Never dealt with it personally, but John did a few years ago and he didn't think it was much fun.........!!  So far I'm not very impressed either...........LOL  I have his sling on, thank goodness it's my left shoulder, or I'd really be in a mess.

I guess I'll have to go into the doctor tomorrow to see if it's just abused or actually torn.  My WAG is just abused since I landed on it. First race for the hornets is March 17th, so I don't need a bunch of doctoring.......!

When we drove in about 10:30 Lynn opened the driveway gate for us.  He said they had been out playing with the donkeys when they let them out at bedtime and heard the truck coming in. He had also built a fire in our wood stove, so the house wouldn't be so cold when we came in.  Lynn and Linda are such wonderful people, we sure will miss them when they head back to Colorado the end of April.

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I wrote above about the races and my lack of agility yesterday, but didn't post it.  This morning John insisted I go in to get an x-ray.  We have 3 medical choices in Benson, a walk in clinic in Safeway, my primary doctor or the emergency room at the local hospital.

Tried the walk in clinic first.  They have a long list of things they don't do, one of them is sprains and joints.  So we headed for the doctor, no appointment until next week.  That left the emergency room........SIGH..!!

We found out no bones broken, which is good.  In the last 5-6 years I've had 4 broken bones and they were all clean breaks, so it's good to find out my bones will take a little abuse without shattering, like happens with older bones some time...........LOL  The doctor said not to wear the sling, which works for me.  I can use my arm within reason and knowing there is no breaks, there isn't any reason to protect it.  It will let me know if I try to do something I shouldn't.



Everybody wants to be a racer these days........!!  

Lynn and Linda had said something about taking Justin with them to Colorado this summer.  Justin belongs to Courtney that trims the donkeys feet, so I told them they had to ask her.  She was here yesterday, they asked and she gave her approval, so I guess he will be going on an adventure.  Courtney's only question was, if he would miss the other minis, one of which is his mother.  I don't think he will, these days he likes to hang out with the big boys, more than mom.  


Lynn trying to keep up.........!!!  LOL


Thanks for the videos, Linda





Thursday, January 25, 2018

TUCSON RODEO PARADE

Last year Linda brought up the subject of participating in the Tucson Rodeo Parade, which has been an annual event every February since 1925 and is billed as the largest non-mechanized parade in the U.S. That means no motorized vehicles, horse drawn wagons and carriages, riding or walking only.  It was too late to sign up last year, so Linda put it in her phone for this year.  

Our plan is to take 6 donkeys, three of them will be Lynn and Linda's, Turbo, Leddy and Leo wearing their pack saddles.  BlackJack and Quilla will both be wearing blankets with Forever Home on them.  We haven't decided yet what to do with Justin, the little mini.  We can always stomp and squash a straw cowboy hat and put it on his head.  Dave and Georgette are going to walk with us and handle 2 of the donkeys.  They do cowboy shooting and have all sorts of outfits, Georgette is going to outfit Linda and I.  I think John has enough miner stuff to dress Lynn if needed and Dave has all sorts of outfits, so we ought to look good.

I hope John and I don't wear out before the parade is over.  A friend that has been in the parade many times said it's about 4 miles..........that's a long ways.......LOL   Leigh Anne said to get there about 4am, to get a good parking spot for the stock trailers.  So now we're talking about going the night before, although that might not be allowed, we'll have to find out. 


This is a video Linda took a few days ago, of Lynn, Turbo and Leo playing in one of the big washes.  I guess Leo thought he was going to get left behind..!!! LOL





Today they went out with a neighbor and 7 dogs to an area called the Narrows.  It's a narrow spot in the San Pedro river bed.  In the 20's the city of Tucson did a study and were trying to figure out how to dam up that area, to collect water for Tucson, but never did.  If they had we might have lake front property now....!!

Anyway, they ran across a range bull, Jorgia's dogs are working cattle dogs, so no big deal.  I guess Saddik and one of her dogs had been arguing with each other, but when they saw the bull, they started working him together like buddies.  I don't even know if Saddik has ever seen a cow, although since he showed up at our place 3 years ago and had been on his own long enough to get pretty skinny, he might have ran across some range cattle out here.


Linda took this picture of Saddik last September after their 1st snowfall in Colorado


We don't know for sure what his ancestry is, but we're pretty sure there was a Rhodesian Ridgeback in there someplace. 



Another video Linda took of Turbo showing some of his "moves"

Everybody is doing good right now.  Rosie seems to be enjoying her banana shoes, she's moving around more.  Gus is doing so well, he is off all medication except for 1/2 Equioxx a day.  Next week we will start dropping that to every other day and if he does well, see how he does without it.  It's been a long time since he wasn't taking some kind of pain medication, so this is very exciting. 

Sunday, January 21, 2018

BET YOU DIDN'T EVEN MISS ME...........!!

John and I sneaked off again this week-end, with Lynn and Linda's blessing.  Went to 95 Speedway at Lake Havasu, AZ to root for a friend that took his street stock over there to play with the local racers.  He did really well, and brought it home in one piece, so it was a good week-end.......!!!    They asked him to come back, which isn't always the case, when you take your car to a new track.   LOL  John won at Yates Center, Kansas in the 70's, 1st and last time he raced there.  On the way home all the lug nuts on one of the trailer wheels came off.  Wonder why..........???  A good reason not to leave your car and trailer unattended at a strange track I guess.   Had to leave the trailer and race car in a gas station with a note, took a couple of days to get it all straightened out.  But these guys seemed to appreciate having Ray show up, told him to bring his friends, so I guess they like having the competition.

Ray's street stock


I left Linda with a pretty full week-end, she had a tour Saturday morning, a church group came out groomed donkeys and cleaned water buckets.  She said they will probably be back soon, so I guess they had a good time.  

This morning Tyler came out to do feet.  Gus is doing so well, we are hoping to get him off all medication this time.  He got new shoes and his feet covered with casting material, to help his feet be less flaky and hopefully more sturdy.  There is still about an inch of flaky loose hoof material growing out at the bottom of his hoof.  We are hoping when that finally grows out, eventually he can do without the casting material.  He might have to always wear the shoes, we'll just have to see what happens.  

When John and I got home today, I asked how it went.  It seems that everyone Tyler worked on was a real "ass" today.  Gigi, even broke a couple of clips that held the chains on the stock, when she was suppose to just be standing still.  Gus tried to jump out over the front chain.......... Gigi broke the clips on the back chain.......!!!  Jeesh, they've all been in the stock before and didn't cause problems.  I think everyone got a happy shot for their trouble.  Dr. Jeremy was here to draw blood from Buddy Brat, to see if there is a reason he's been grumpy lately.  Buddy is usually a pretty happy guy, but there have been some changes lately.  So we'll start with a CBC (complete blood count) and see if there are any clues.    


Gigi and Rosie, thanks for the picture Linda



Rosie for the 1st time in her life got shoes.  They are called banana shoes, turn up on the front and back, so she can rocker her stance to where it is most comfortable for her.  Dr. Jeremy said she is going down the same road as Gus.  Hopefully we can intervene and stop the process or at least slow it down.  

And there was another tour this afternoon, so I don't think it was boring around here at all.......LOL 

Wednesday, January 17, 2018

UPDATE.............FINALLY

When I am gone for a week or more, it takes a long time to get caught up,  probably take longer than we were gone.  We went to the dirt races at Apache Junction, which is up by Phoenix.  They had 6 race nights in 10 days, with $13,000, to win the last night which was Sunday. 

We stayed gone the whole time except for coming home Saturday to attend our track's end of the year banquet.  We spent the night at home and headed back up there Sunday morning.  I had to come back and get my trophy for finishing 3rd for the year.  


The back of my head and my trophy as a center piece.  I had a spot all picked out for it behind the couch on a buffet with a couple of other "special:" trophies.  But it would have been tall enough to get into the ceiling fan.  So it's sitting on the floor BY the buffet........LOL   Thanks for the picture Lisa.......!!


The races were at night, so we had the days to do something.  We had never really been up in that part of Arizona, so decided to do the tourist thing.  We went to Apache Lake, Casa Grande Ruins, Canyon Lake, Camp Verde Fort,  ate pie at the Black Canyon Pie Cafe.  I don't think that's the name of the place, but it's world famous for their pies.


Casa Grande Ruins, probably was a religious center and maybe a gathering area for the surrounding small villages for an ancient swap meet

Spent the night at the Grand Hotel in Jerome.  It's suppose to be haunted, but we didn't have any visitors.  

The weather the morning we left Jerome



Lake Pleasant is a really nice lake and there is a herd of burros that live there, but we didn't see them.  Did see a couple of piles of poo, but that's it.....!!  In fact we didn't see any donkeys on the whole trip.  We've actually had at least one donkey come thru here, that was from the Lake Pleasant herd. 

We ate in Sedona, but it was just too crowded and so commercialized I told John it was like going into Costco before Christmas, lunch was really good though.


Wish I'd taken a picture when it came to the table, before we ate the corn on the cob, the salad, the rolled tacos and made a mess of the pinto beans, queso, salsa and guacamole.  It was really pretty, guess I was in a hurry to dig in and forgot to dig out the camera


Went up to Flagstaff, I guess to see their snow.  They didn't have much, but it was fun to see it thru the windows of the car.......!!!  LOL



Went thru a huge swap meet right off hiway 60 on the way to Apache Junction, it was another pre Christmas at Costco moment.  So many people and so much stuff to look at, it was rather overwhelming, so we didn't stay too long.......!!

Got home and found happy healthy donkeys.  Whatever BlackJack and a couple of the others had, didn't become an epidemic, thank goodness.





This is the herd outside Lynn and Linda's RV, I think they would have all the donkeys in the RV, if they could figure out the logistics.  LOL  Boaz was "front and center" at the start, begging for cookies from Linda.  

 We were expecting a new donkey named Poco in next week.  He was 31 and his owner is 87 and she wanted him to be taken care of, just in case.

I called her to make arrangements and unfortunately on Saturday, she found him down in his pasture and a coyote was attacking him.  She ran the coyote off, but said the damage to Poco's hindquarters was so bad, he had to be put down.  She didn't know if Poco got down and couldn't get up fast enough to escape or what.  She had him for 19 years I think she said and is just heartbroken, as we are, what a horrible thing to happen.

We were out of corral panels and pens, so I had ordered panels from a company in Texas that comes thru this area about once a month delivering panels and gates.



These are not all ours thank goodness.  Our order was the pile on top in the back.  This is Linda and John with the driver figuring out the next plan to get them on the ground


Unfortunately we won't need any panels or gates for Poco, but we will have some if we need them in the future.  We keep saying we are going to downsize, but that doesn't seem to happen.



Turbo begging Lynn for cookies on the feed room porch



"Ready for my close-up Mr. DeMille"  Thanks for the pictures Linda.....!!